Gojo vs. Sukuna: How Japanese Fans Actually Settle the Debate — "Gojo Said It Himself: He Doubts He'd Have Won"
五条悟vs完全体宿儺、日本のファンはどう決着をつけているか
“At the airport, Gojo himself says it was "doubtful he'd have won even without the Ten Shadows." That's the whole debate right there, honestly.”
空港で｢十種がなくても勝てたか怪しい｣って悟自身が言ってる。 それが全てだと思う。
Gojo vs. Sukuna is the fight English-speaking Jujutsu Kaisen fans never stop power-scaling — and a top Japanese reaction-compilation video put the same question (Satoru Gojo vs. a Heian-era, full-power Sukuna with no Ten Shadows) to a Japanese comment section of over 600. The most-liked takes do not split down the middle the way Western threads do. The thread that rises to the top keeps circling back to one piece of evidence: Gojo himself, at the airport, says it was "doubtful he'd have won even without the Ten Shadows," and the highest-voted Japanese fans treat that line as close to a confession. From there the discussion gets technical fast — that Gojo's opening 200% Hollow Purple only landed because of Utahime's buff and Ijichi hiding the wind-up, that Cursed Technique Reversal: Red has no real speed at range, that a creature with four arms and an open Domain just out-bodies him in close quarters — before settling on a recurring verdict ("run it ten times, Sukuna takes six to eight") that's noticeably less Gojo-friendly than the consensus overseas. It builds to the exact punchline a Japanese reader would land on.
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Japanese fan reactions (excerpted from 647)
- @burori12👍 465
The thing is, we've still never actually seen a full-power Sukuna at his best...
まだ万全の完全体宿儺を観てないんだよな・・・
- @横縦-v9v👍 54
Gege, please, we NEED a Heian-era spinoff at this point...
芥見先生、平安スピンオフやってくれ必要だろ...
- @凜々-t5u👍 2
We can't even properly grasp "full-power Sukuna" until they give us the Heian arc with sorcerers at their peak. His stats are probably absurd, but I really want to see the gap between his incarnated body and his original one.
やっぱり術師全盛期の平安編を出してくれないと完全体宿儺っていう存在を認識出来ない。めっちゃスペック盛られてそうだけど、受肉と素体の差を本当見せてほしい
- @wasp9404👍 3
"Full-power Sukuna" is this weird entity whose ceiling just keeps climbing into infinity precisely because we never got a single panel of him.
完全体宿儺とかいう描写が無かったが故に 理想値だけが青天井に上がっていく謎の存在
- @user-pk2zo1um3l👍 110
The Gojo camp: "that's just Gojo talking, he's making it up."
五条派閥｢五条が勝手に言ってるだけ｣
- @スティーブ-u3j👍 31
The Gojo camp: "he said it was DOUBTFUL he'd win — he never said he'd lose."
五条派閥「勝てたか怪しいであって負けるとは言ってない」
- @arimasen...👍 11
A sorcerer is only as good as his lies, after all.
術師は嘘ついてなんぼ
- @シンジン-c8j👍 124
Y'all are forgetting way too easily that the opening 200% Hollow Purple in the actual fight only happened thanks to Utahime's technique.
皆、本編の初手200％茈は歌姫の術式のおかげなの忘れすぎてない？
- @またしても出られないグランミラオス👍 43
And on top of that, it only connected because Ijichi threw up a barrier to hide the wind-up. Purple isn't something you can normally land from range at all.
おまけにあれが当たったのも伊地知さんが結界張って起こりを隠してくれたからであって、本来紫は遠距離から当てられるもんじゃないよね
- @w2klew3n2👍 129
Realistically, there's no way you're cleanly landing it from range against someone who's already perceiving you. It's not that easy.
流石に知覚されてる状態から遠距離でまともに当てられるほど甘くないと思う。
- @ハムハムピューレ👍 10
Right? lol Landing ranged hits on Sukuna over and over is damn near impossible.
それなw宿儺に遠距離当て続けるとか 不可能に近い。
- @abcABC-oj6wu👍 2
Purple has a charge-up too — Sukuna's not just going to stand there and eat it like an idiot, is he?
紫って打つのにタメかかるし宿儺が馬鹿正直に当たってくれるわけなくない？
- @スティーブ-u3j👍 39
Purple has a big tell and a long charge, and Red has no speed — that's exactly why Gojo had to set up so many tricks just to land his big moves.
茈は起こりと溜めがデカいし、赫は速度がない だから五条は大技を当てるために色々工夫してた
- @ちゃーはん398えん-c3x👍 14
The four arms are just too much — you get caught in Cleave with two of them while the other two pummel you, and even in a straight melee you can't out-fight four arms while being Dismantled. It honestly feels unwinnable.
腕4本がデカすぎて普通に彌虚葛籠されながら残った2本の腕でボコられるのと通常戦闘も展延されながら4本の腕で格闘戦勝てず 普通に無理ゲーの気がします
- @あべや-v5m👍 22
I genuinely think Gojo just gets overwhelmed and loses in close combat. If people rated Miguel highly just for being big, then a 2–3m, 300–400kg monster with four arms and two mouths is a different planet entirely.
なんか普通に五条が近接戦で圧倒されて負けるんじゃないかって思ってる ミゲルが黒人ってだけで高い評価されてたの考えると身長2〜3m・体重300〜400kgの腕4本口2つの化け物はアカンやろ
- @やまたに-p3h👍 88
Gojo's only win condition is going in cold, with Sukuna not having figured out the trick behind Unlimited Void. Outside of that, I don't see a path.
五条が勝つには事前情報なしで無量空処のタネが宿儺に割れてない以外で勝ち目ないと思う。
- @ないる-p2g👍 35
The gap between their Domains is just too big. The fact that Malevolent Shrine doesn't even need to close is so broken it's not a real conversation.
領域に差がありすぎる。流石に閉じない伏魔御廚子が強すぎてお話にならない。
- @dio-jb2pu👍 4
The Domain gap isn't that big though. The open Domain was a threat, sure, but Gojo had enough room to actually fight inside Malevolent Shrine, whereas Sukuna took brain damage from being even a split second late on his own Domain. Sukuna's technique is higher, but isn't Gojo's quality higher?
領域にそんなに差無いでしょ、閉じない領域は確かに脅威だったけど五条は御厨子の中で戦闘出来るぐらいには余裕があるけど、宿儺は一瞬領域遅れただけでも脳にダメージ入ってる。技術は宿儺が上だけど質は五条が上じゃない？
- @Am-ti6gg👍 10
You can't beat a full-power Sukuna in hand-to-hand to begin with, so Gojo's already out of the running.
@dio-jb2puそもそも完全体宿儺に体術で勝てないんだから五条はお話にならないね
- @朝マック-u6d👍 18
If Sukuna comes in trying to kill from the very first second, I'd put Gojo's win rate under 10% even with no cursed tools involved.
最初っから本気で潰しに来てるとしたら呪具なしでも五条の勝率1割切ってると思う
- @kikitozizi👍 2
If Gojo literally can't beat a full-power Sukuna who doesn't even have the Ten Shadows, then nothing explains why Sukuna schemed so hard to GET the Ten Shadows, or why he held his incarnated transformation in reserve. (…) So it means Sukuna judged that against Gojo's Limitless, the extra arms and mouths and cursed tools from going full-power weren't much of an advantage, and it was better to keep them in reserve as insurance for the fights afterward. A full-power Sukuna beating Gojo is actually pretty rough. I've got it 7:3 Gojo.
十種無しの完全体に五条が絶対勝てないなら、宿儺が十種を手に入れようと暗躍した事も、受肉変身を温存した事にも説明がつかない。（…）つまり宿儺は、五条の無下限相手には完全体による手と口の増加と呪具は大したアドバンテージにならず、故に後の戦闘の時の万が一の保険にそれを取っておく方がメリットがある。と判断した事になる。 完全体宿儺が五条に勝つのは中々厳しい。 7:3で五条かと。
- @たけ-s9w4z👍 4
It's actually questionable whether Heian-era Sukuna even knows Cleave-Dismantle yet, though. (…) So if he doesn't have it, Gojo honestly just wins.
平安宿儺は展延覚えてるか怪しいけどね。（…）だから仮に展延所持してないなら五条の方が普通に勝ちそう
- @物書きの論ですo👍 8
It also changes depending on whether you're bringing in Heian-era Sukuna raw, or a Heian Sukuna who already knows everything about Gojo.
平安時代の宿儺をそのまま持ってくるのか 五条のことを知ってる平安宿儺なのかでも変わる
- @AnubiTerror👍 3
Even going off Gojo's own words, it's not "I can't beat Sukuna" so much as "my odds are low" — like, run it ten times and it's eight for Sukuna, two for Gojo.
五条の発言的にも 宿儺には勝てないとは言わないが 勝てる可能性が低いくらいの認識 10回やって8回宿儺 2回五条みたいな
- @3z1mdme1z-l3i👍 14
My read is: run it ten times and Sukuna takes six, while the other four turn into a slugfest that ends up basically a draw.
10回戦ったら 6回宿儺が勝って、4回は泥試合で引き分けに近い感じになるイメージ
- @坦々麺-f9y👍 21
Bro is NOT beating a full-power Sukuna lmao
完全体には絶対勝てんやろwww
- @ぁ_ぁ👍 5
I love both the Gojo kids who keep grinding even though the man himself basically admitted defeat, AND the shorts made specifically to wind them up.
本人が負け認めてるのに頑張る五条キッズもそいつらをイライラさせるショートも大好き
- @名無しのバケモン👍 1
Lord Sukuna still hasn't gone full power.
宿儺様はまだ本気を出していない
- @みーちゃん-l4b👍 1
At the end of the day this is Gorilla Kaisen. (…) Take the technique away from Gojo and his only feature is having long limbs, so I just can't picture him winning.
結局はゴリラ廻戦なんよな、（…）五条じゃ術式がないと手足長いくらいしか取り柄がないから勝つ姿が想像できない
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