Jujutsu Kaisen: Japanese Fans Debate If Sukuna's Slashes Are Actually Fast — "The real cheat is that they're invisible"
宿儺の斬撃って実は速くない？ 日本のファンが議論
“The real lawlessness is the part where the slashes are invisible to begin with.”
まず不可視の斬撃というところが無法なのであって
On Jujutsu Kaisen, Japanese fans pushed back hard on the claim that Sukuna's Cleave and Dismantle aren't fast. The debate splits three ways: that the real broken part is the slashes being "invisible" with no wind-up, that Mahoraga adapted at the moment the technique activated rather than reacting to blade speed, and that Maki only got clipped while frozen from a Black Flash. Plus a running joke about speed-adjustable slashes that ends on the obvious troll read.
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Japanese fan reactions (excerpted from 70)
- @ムキムキタマゴ👍 77
Kusakabe: "A terrifyingly fast slash… If it weren't me, I'd have missed it."
日下部「恐ろしく速い斬撃… 俺でなきゃ見逃しちゃうね」
- @ピタゴラス-q2u👍 14
Maki & Mahoraga: "Hm? Oh, you mean the slash thing."
真希・摩虚羅「ん？あぁ、斬撃のところか」
- @bouningenn-g5e👍 6
The spinal cord: "You're the one who's missing it."
脊髄「お前は見逃してるんだよ｣
- @abc-y9q-c1d👍 9
It's already trash that they're invisible for no real reason, and the insane part is he can fire them with zero motion.
特に理由もなく不可視な時点でクソなのにそれをノーモーションで打てるのがヤバい
- @Snack-Hello👍 1
And on top of that he just fires them nonstop in a continuous stream. It's a worse no-win situation than a bad bullet-hell game.
しかも、それを連続で絶え間なく撃ってくるというね。 下手な弾幕ゲーより無理ゲーしてる
- @朝マック-u6d👍 53
Mahoraga's computer reacts to the input stage, not the attack animation — it triggers the instant the technique activates, so it can parry regardless of blade speed.
魔虚羅はコンピューターが攻撃モーションではなく入力段階で対応するように術式発動した瞬間に反応するから剣速に関係なく弾けるんだろ
- @感覚としては理解できる日車👍 0
Mahoraga blocks them thanks to adaptation, plain and simple. Atsuya's blade speed is just one of the fastest in the whole series.
普通に魔虚羅は適応のおかげ アツヤはシンプルに剣速が作中最速レベル
- @ピタゴラス-q2u👍 31
Maki only got hit because she was frozen after taking a Black Flash. Every other Dismantle she dodged or parried.
真希は黒閃を食らってフリーズしてる時に狙われただけでしょ それ以外の解は全部避けたり弾いたりしてるし
- @べーだま👍 0
Why does "some guys can parry it" automatically become "it's slow"? I genuinely don't get it.
なんで 弾ける奴らがいる＝遅い になるのか、これがワカラナイ。
- @手羽差キング👍 19
I think if you've got the skill, it's at a level you can block or dodge. But whether you can dodge/block an endless barrage of them is a separate question.
実力あれば防げたり回避レベルではあるとは思う。 絶え間なく飛んでくるのを全て回避や防げるかは別問題。
- @user-by5bc1wm7b👍 4
Yuta said that if Sukuna were at full power everyone would've been instantly cut down by Dismantle, so yeah, at full power they're genuinely fast.
乙骨が万全なら全員解で瞬殺されてたって言ってるから普通にクソ早いよ万全なら
- @スタールくれ-x1n👍 10
They're at a level even Gojo and Jogo couldn't react to.
五条と漏瑚が反応できないレベルだぞ
- @ナナシ-z6w👍 4
Gojo can react though. Even against the no-motion Dimensional Slash he can usually avoid taking a fatal hit.
五条は反応できるっしょ。ノーモーションの次元斬も普段なら致命傷さけるぐらいはできるみたいだし
- @nfwpajgdp👍 9
Sukuna holds back to match his opponent, so even a guy like Kusakabe can react. A lot of people clearly aren't reading the manga properly.
宿儺は相手に合わせて手加減するから日下部如きでも反応出来るだけなのにちゃんと漫画見れてないやつ多いな
- @user-pk2zo1um3l👍 2
Right, he was literally grinning and toying with them like "see? a no-motion slash, lol."
ニヤニヤしながら｢ほら、ノーモーションの斬撃だぞw｣って遊んでたしな
- @炊きたてメシー👍 8
In these reaction-thread questions, you always get the "if you actually read the manga you'd know" replies, huh.
なんかこういうスレの反応みたいなので出てくる問いかけって｢ちゃんと漫画読んでりゃ分かるだろ｣っていうの多いよね
- @力こそパワーo👍 1
They've run out of material.
@炊きたてメシーネタ切れ
- @塩焼くおいかわ👍 11
In the anime, during the Mahoraga fight he was flinging slashes while munching popcorn, but the slash landed the same instant his hand moved — so it's all in how he adjusts it.
アニメでの対魔虚羅の時にポップコーン食いながら斬撃飛ばしてたけど手の動きと同じ瞬間に斬撃入ってたから調整次第
- @unicorn98765👍 5
Kusakabe's slash is probably like Miwa's — he accelerates the iai draw with cursed energy, so given his cursed-energy control it's just genuinely fast.
日下部スラッシュは恐らく三輪と同じで呪力で居合を加速させてるから、呪力操作の技量的に普通にクッソ速いと思う。
- @poronikusu93👍 3
If you can see it you can parry it (top-tier only), and even invisible it's slow enough to defend after seeing the tell — so maybe around the speed of sound? There's no on-page proof for speed-changing.
見えれば弾ける(上澄み)、不可視でも起こり見て防御が間に合う程度の速度だから精々音速前後じゃないかな？ 速度の可変については描写が無いのでなんとも
- @名無権兵衛-l9h👍 0
The speed is visible even to big bro Kusakabe, so it's not fast — but because the slash can't be seen, you can't read the trajectory or timing, which makes it hard to deal with. Flip side, if you can see it, dodging isn't that hard. At full power he'd probably cut you in half before a counter-type technique could even fire.
速度はお兄ちゃんでも視認できる程度だから速くはないけど、斬撃が見えない為に軌道と発射タイミングが読めず対処が難しいタイプ。逆に言えば見えてたら躱す事は難しくはない。 反応して迎撃するタイプの術は多分万全なら迎撃できずに真っ二つにされそうではある
- @Nier-x7s👍 2
Judging from Yuji's cut-out lines, the thrown slashes are an extension technique, so I figured there has to be some binding vow with a tradeoff between power, speed, and range.
虎杖の切り取り線を見る限り、飛ばす斬撃は拡張術式だから何かしら制約があって威力、速度、範囲にトレードオフの関係があるんじゃないか？と思ってた。
- @パピリオン-i8k👍 0
I think power and speed are proportional — there's air resistance, after all. Which means World Cutting Slash must be absurdly fast.
威力と速さは比例の関係にあると思うよ、空気抵抗がある以上はね、逆に世界斬はバカ速いんだろうな
- @nattu7775👍 17
If he can adjust the speed, then a super-slow Dismantle would actually be kind of strong.
速度調整できるならめちゃくちゃ遅い解とか逆に強そう
- @y.t.8607👍 3
That's exactly the surprise attack he pulled on Choso.
それこそ脹相への不意打ち
- @両面宿儺でーす👍 2
If you set it up as a delayed/placed move that'd be busted strong, no?
それ置き技にしたらバカ強くね
- @天才の証明👍 4
When you think about it that way, Malevolent Shrine isn't a straight cheat but the versatility is incredible.
そう考えると、御厨子ってチートではないけど応用力凄いな
- @松-q7f👍 0
He'd probably hide that it's adjustable and use it to mess with your perception.
可変式なのを隠して錯覚使うとかはやりそう
- @ああ-o4s5c👍 0
He could probably mix up fast and slow ones like Ryu's Hadoken in Street Fighter.
ストリートファイターの波動拳みたいに早い遅いの使い分けはできそう
- @徘徊-r9s👍 1
Obviously he's slowing the speed down as a binding vow to crank the power up. Duh.
速度遅くする縛りで威力上げてるに決まっとるやん
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