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One Piece Chapter 1186: Imu Takes a Hit From Luffy, Fans Debate the Scaling

ワンピース1186話 イム様の戦闘力が黄猿以下？日本のファンの反応

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One Piece Chapter 1186: Imu Takes a Hit From Luffy, Fans Debate the Scaling
“Celestial Dragons are fragile across the board. Doflamingo — the guy who never buckled no matter the adversity — is the real anomaly here.”

天竜人は総じて打たれ弱い。逆境あってもへこたれなかったドフラミンゴとかがむしろ異質

— @赤星-o9y

One Piece Chapter 1186 finally showed the series' shadow emperor, Imu, taking a hit from Luffy — and instead of the god-tier menace many expected, the strike landed and Imu looked, well, ordinary. The most-liked Japanese reaction reframes it instantly: Celestial Dragons have always been physically fragile, and Doflamingo — the one who never buckled — is the real anomaly. From there the thread splits down the exact fault line English-speaking fans argue too: one camp is deflated that the final boss lost his "otherworldly" aura and is becoming a meme, joking about his "fugo!" face and lack of dignity; the other camp insists it's perfectly fair scaling, since the blow was a Gear 4 Conqueror's-Haki-coated punch and Kizaru is essentially Yonko-tier. Woven through it is deep-cut power-scaling (does Luffy only reach Yonko level as Nika?), the recurring "then what about Charlos, who got smashed into a lantern shape and survived?" objection, and a defense of Imu's human design over "more freak-show characters." It lands on the most self-aware take of all.

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  • Dropping his dignity along with the arrogance and the pride, lol. Truly a boss worthy of Planet Incompetent.

    奢りやプライドと一緒に威厳まで捨てるの草 流石無能星の上司

    — @粗悪対応感謝祭99 likes

  • THIS is the final boss's face? There's not a shred of dignity left.

    ラスボスの表情がこれかよ 威厳もクソもねぇな

    — @ポン吉-s3l5 likes

  • Forget the punch — the "FUGO!!" face he pulls is what got me, lol.

    殴られた事よりも、「フゴッ！！」って表情に笑ったw

    — @クロ-g3s28 likes

  • Luffy, basically: "Damn, it's actually working on him, lol."

    ルフィ「効いてて草w」

    — @コケコッコー12314 likes

  • I was expecting Imu to look way more inhuman, so the fact that he's human-looking and just a straightforwardly-strong type felt a little off from what I wanted.

    イム様もっと人間離れした見た目とか期待してたのに見た目が人で純粋に強いタイプなのちょっと違った

    — @eTA最高91 likes

  • Exactly. That eerie, alien aura was what made him great — and now he's slowly turning into a joke character.

    それな異質感があって良かったのに、今はもうネタ枠になりつつある

    — @mgmpjgjpjgjpj2 likes

  • His look is close to human, his emotions are vivid — there's a striking humanness to him.

    見た目も人に近いし感情も豊かで人間臭さが凄い

    — @GiuliettaTakahashi3 likes

  • People kept saying he's "not very One Piece" or "looks like a Naruto character," but honestly that beats getting yet another deformed freak design every single time.

    散々ワンピらしくないだのナルトキャラだの言われてたけど毎回毎回奇形キャラ出されるよりはずっといいわ。

    — @左右-k4h17 likes

  • Judging by the stance, it was a Gear 4 punch coated in Conqueror's Haki, so honestly this outcome feels pretty reasonable to me.

    構え方から見るにちょっとギア4＋覇王色纏った打撃だから、妥当な気もするけどね

    — @わさびたこ焼き44 likes

  • Kizaru is basically Yonko-class in raw power, so it's not like getting compared to him is an insult.

    黄猿は実力的には四皇クラスと言っても言い過ぎじゃないだろうからなぁ。

    — @HARU-j6g9 likes

  • What is this absurdly shallow assessment…

    なんだこのあまりにも浅い評価は…

    — @go-men-x5e24 likes

  • Drawing a conclusion from a single exchange — the exact kind of short-circuit thinking of a bratty kid.

    たったの一回の攻防で結論づける まさにドパガキのごとき短絡的思考

    — @くるりん-y6d9 likes

  • Massive overstatement. Even though Luffy is on the weaker end of the Yonko (Buggy aside), he could already overwhelm Kizaru as Nika — which means Kizaru straight-up loses to the Yonko. Luffy only reaches Yonko-level strength AS Nika; the other Yonko put out that Nika-tier power constantly, with no time limit.

    過言すぎる。ルフィが歴代四皇では弱い方(バギーを除く)にも関わらず、ニカで黄猿を圧倒できてた時点で黄猿は四皇には普通に負ける。ルフィはニカになってようやく四皇並みの実力であり、そのニカ並みの強さを時間切れなく常時発揮できるのが他の四皇。

    — @D.K.-uj6vd10 likes

  • Maybe it's a combo of Luffy getting stronger and the Sun God buff being active without Imu even realizing it.

    ルフィが強くなったのと、太陽の神のバフとか知らずに掛かってんのかもしれん

    — @3号-l7c11 likes

  • Then what the hell is Charlos, who got smashed flat by Sai and Leo until his body deformed into a paper-lantern shape and STILL didn't die?

    じゃあサイとレオに叩き潰されて体の形が提灯みたいに変形したのに死んでないチャルロスはなんなんだよ

    — @リッキィ-g8h36 likes

  • I thought the composition looked familiar — it's the exact panel from when Charlos got clocked.

    構図に既視感あると思ったら チャルロスがぶん殴られたときのやつだ

    — @すぷりんたぁー1 likes

  • 🦩 "The lives you Celestial Dragons have lived are on a whole different level!!" — says the one Celestial Dragon who actually fought back.

    🦩お前ら(天竜人)の生きてきた人生とは レベルが違う！！

    — @WES-OR57 likes

  • It's the same with the Holy Knights: because they have "immortality" / "revert" properties, they barely ever need to think about taking or dodging a hit, and they're rarely attacked in the first place — so I figure they're just weak on defense.

    神の騎士団もそうなんだけど「不死」「戻る」性質が有るから攻撃を(受ける)(躱す)を考える必要があまり無く､その存在から己が誰かから攻撃される機会も少ないから守りに関しては弱いのかと思う｡

    — @渡辺かにさん1 likes

  • Maybe he's just not battle-hardened. Or he only ever picks fights he's guaranteed to win and neglects raw power-on-power clashes. Or he simply got caught by a surprise blow — one of those, no?

    戦闘慣れしてないか もしくは 確実に勝つ方ばかりとって戦闘力のぶつけ合いとか疎かにしてるとか もしくは 不意打ちでくらったとかじゃないの？

    — @六七佐助1 likes

  • Ultra protagonist plot-armor: Luffy powers up at a rate that'd shock even a bargain-bin isekai hero, in his NORMAL state, while Imu — and Loki along with him — conveniently get nerfed into jobbers just to make Luffy shine.

    超絶主人公補正の力なろう系主人公もビックリするレベルでめちゃくちゃ強くなるノーマル状態ルフィとルフィを活躍させる為に都合よく弱体化するイムやそれに付き合い雑魚化するロキ

    — @秋ヤマトシ1 likes

  • The protagonist who spent the whole time just eating, then suddenly comes back online purely to punch Imu.

    ずっと飯食ってた癖に突然復帰してイムを殴るだけの主人公

    — @みやの幸村27 likes

  • At this point I watch it the way you'd watch Dragon Ball GT or Super — "hey, this is fun in its own way." …It is fun, right?

    もうドラゴンボールでいうGTとか超みたいな感じで見てる。これはこれでおもしろい的な。おもしろいのか？

    — @kiiiiiiiiiil2 likes
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