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One Piece Chapter 1197: Zoro's Rogues Gallery Reignites a 'Were They Strong?' Debate
ワンピース1197話、ゾロの歴代敵カットインに海外ファン「これ本当に強敵か?」と物議
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One Piece Chapter 1197 gives Zoro his own flashback gallery of past opponents, flashed across his fight panel in the same chapter that does the same thing for Sanji. A Japanese reaction channel's breakdown of the gallery pulled over 270,000 views, and its 145-comment section spent less time celebrating and more time arguing over whether half the names actually earned the label "strong enemy."
The gallery lines up Daz Bones, CP9's Kaku, the Thriller Bark zombie wielding the blade of the legendary swordsman Ryuma, Fish-Man Island's Hyouzou, Dressrosa's Pica, and Wano's calamity King -- and viewers split almost evenly over whether that's a rogues gallery or just a list of stepping stones Zoro happened to climb over.
One reply near the end cut through the whole argument by pointing out there's only one name that actually settles the question for good.
One Piece Chapter 1197 gives Zoro the same treatment it gives Sanji earlier in the chapter: a quick flashback gallery of past opponents, flashed across his fight panel mid-battle. The Japanese reaction channel breaking it down pulled in over 270,000 views, and its 145-comment section didn't settle into celebration -- it turned into an argument over whether half the names in that lineup actually deserve to be called "strong enemies" at all.
Honestly, "characters who helped him grow" fits better than "past strong enemies."
過去の強敵っていうか成長させてくれた敵キャラって感じかな
That framing is exactly what split the thread. The gallery itself lines up Daz Bones, CP9's Kaku, the Thriller Bark zombie wielding the blade of the legendary swordsman Ryuma, Fish-Man Island's Hyouzou, Dressrosa's Pica, and Wano's calamity King -- and viewers immediately started sorting them into "real threats" versus "measuring sticks Zoro happened to clear on the way up." Hyouzou took the brunt of the skepticism.
Hyouzou feels less like a strong enemy and more like proof of growth at that point in the story -- proof Zoro had reached the level where he could one-shot "a swordsman who could keep up with Gear 2 and cut through steel."
ヒョウゾウは強敵ってより、あの時点での成長の証だよね。「ギア2に対応できて鋼鉄もぶった斬る剣士」を瞬殺できるレベルにまで到達したっていう証。
Everyone except Hyouzou kind of fits the "strong enemy" label, though.
ヒョウゾウ以外は割と当てはまってる
@ライカイ-r5o Hyouzou is... you know... more like a training dummy once you hit the New World...
@ライカイ-r5oヒョウゾウは……ほら…新世界入ってからの巻藁的な……
Not everyone was debating classification, though. The single most-liked comment on the whole video skipped the argument entirely and jumped straight to a wishlist item: a Daz Bones rematch.
I kind of want Daz Bones to come back with Armament Haki and his black-blade form at some point and get a proper rematch. Let him go all-in with a blade-mode Rokushiki -- imagine a Storm Leg off that drill arm of his, that'd look strong as hell.
ダズはそろそろ武装色纏って黒刀化して再戦しないかな? そんでスパスパ仕様にした六式でガチガチに戦って欲しい。あの掘削機で嵐脚したら強そうじゃん。
From there the thread drifted into a lighter side debate: which of these guys actually look cool. Bon Clay got brought up as the gold standard for "goofy and cool aren't mutually exclusive," and Pica's voice became an unlikely punchline.
Reading that cool and goofy aren't mutually exclusive, the first guy I thought of was Bon Clay. I love that guy.
カッコいいとイロモノは両立する、というコメント聞いて思い浮かんだのはボン・クレー。好きなんだ、あいつ。
Pica's voice is just silly, but he genuinely looks strong and actually was ridiculously strong.
ピーカは声がバカみたいなだけで見た目は真っ当に強者感あるし実際クソ強いからな
There was also a running joke about how many of the names in the gallery were, quite literally, hard. Daz Bones turns into blades, Pica is a stone giant, Kaku's a giraffe built like a tank -- the pun writes itself in Japanese, where "hardcore" and "hard" share the same word.
"Hardcore" -- as in, literally made of hard stuff.
硬派(硬い奴)
Yeah, honestly I wanted a Skypiea arc enemy in there too. Though I guess Satori doesn't count since Zoro didn't beat him solo.
確かに空島編の敵は入れて欲しかったよな。 でもサトリは単独撃破じゃないから勘定できないか
By the end, one commenter tried to settle the whole debate with a full breakdown, name by name -- arguing the Zoro version of the gallery actually holds up just as well as Sanji's once you look past the surface.
Honestly, everyone in the Zoro version held up as strong, too: Daz -- a real threat at the time, fiercely loyal. Kaku -- a real threat at the time, loyal enough to the government that he got promoted all the way to CP0. The zombie -- carries Brook's shadow in it, obviously strong. The octopus guy -- the best swordsman on Fish-Man Island (big fish, small pond, though). Pica -- a genuinely troublesome ability, very loyal. King -- strong by species, strong ability, very loyal.
ぶっちゃけゾロバージョンもみんな強いんだよね ダズ→当時強敵、忠誠心高め カク→当時強敵、政府への忠誠心高め、CP0まで上がってる ゾンビ→ブルックの影に侍、当然強い タコ→魚人島一の剣士(井の中の蛸) ピーカ→割と厄介性能、忠誠心高め キング→種族として強い、能力も強い、忠誠心高め
That almost closed the loop on the whole "were they actually strong" argument. Then one last reply reminded everyone that no matter how the list shakes out, there's only one name that actually puts it all in perspective.
No matter what any of them do, Mihawk -- even the Seraphim copy of him -- would still look stronger.
何してもセラフィムミホークの方が強そう
145 comments in, nobody actually settled whether Daz Bones or King or the rest deserve the "strong enemy" title -- but everyone agreed on the one name that was never really in question.
One Piece Chapter 1197: Sanji's Haoshoku Haki Completes Luffy's Sword and Shield
This was a god-tier chapter for me personally. Sanji calling Zoro by his actual name is way too emotional.
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- What happens in One Piece Chapter 1197?
- The chapter flashes a quick gallery of several of Zoro's past opponents across his fight panel, mirroring a similar gallery the chapter gives Sanji -- and Japanese viewers immediately argued over whether the characters shown actually count as "strong enemies."
- Which of Zoro's past opponents appeared in the gallery?
- Commenters named Daz Bones (Mr. 1), CP9's Kaku, the Thriller Bark zombie wielding the blade of the legendary swordsman Ryuma, Fish-Man Island's Hyouzou, Dressrosa's Pica, and Wano's calamity King.
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